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04-02-2010, 05:54 PM
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It took you a day to hunt down the answers Jotch good job I didn't go into quantum mechanics where even your friend WikiP would struggle

I haven't seen that prog - will check it out. There was one on a while ago where they studied twins, including twins that were separated in childhood and led different lives (one ate a lot of junk food and I think one may have actually been a vegetarian!). The results were (at least to me unsurprising) when the scientists studied their skin cells they found that they had aged differently - whereas twins who were brought up together aged pretty much the same. They went on to study twins who then lived apart and led different lives. And concluded that environmental/diet etc plays a huge part in our health/aging.

It sure supports my argument that it does matter what you eat, how much you exercise etc.

I'll check out that prog later on


     
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04-02-2010, 06:30 PM
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Wait a second - it took me a mere few minutes, I do have a day job and a 5month old to look after.

I see you missed my question however


     
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04-02-2010, 06:50 PM
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Sorry forgot to answer!

He is currently fed an all natural complete food. It does include chicken - but I will be looking into alternatives for him _IF_ there are any available that will not impact his health in a negative manner. But at the end of the day it's a lifestyle choice for me, not my dog and I wouldn't impose it on him - particularly if it had a negative impact on his health. (However I would try to buy organic or more ethical food for him instead - if nothing else suitable comes up).

Edit: Watched that program now. Some interesting theories there. The conclusion of the last studied was flawed tho imo (where getting people to think they're younger, made them younger) ...I guess they didn't take into consideration the health benefits were down to the participants being a lot more active (I got the feeling they were taking from a oap home environment). Also, the first study - the starving diet. Sounds very much like fasting. Fasting is good because when you fast your body starts to use up stored energy/cells.. and the way the body works is it uses up the damaged cells before the healthy ones - hence you get the benefits.

Re your point about the centenarians (note spelling ) as explained by the scientist working with them, these people are unique in that they have genes that will help them over and beyond - he also said for most people the ration of lifestyle to genes is (an overwhelming) 80/20 but in these people it's more the opposite 20/80 - in other words they are extremely lucky (!!) but that isn't to say you should go out and eat crap and just put it all down to genetics. You're welcome to try tho if you want to risk it


     
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05-02-2010, 11:47 AM
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Look 2 points:

I never said eat junk - meat, eggs, dairy in my eyes isn't junk - you might think otherwise however. All I've ever said is that you can eat things in moderation and educate yourself about the food you eat and what your body does with it.

And, I use several sources for my info - not just wikip or a book :P

Anyway, I thought that centenarian (thanks for the spelling ) bit was cool - if we can just switch those genes on...I could be like Wolverine!


     
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08-02-2010, 03:42 AM
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Monday morning so back to this I guess

Yeah, I think meat from animals given routine antibiotics, growth hormones, steroids etc - along with being inbred and bred to create 'fat' 'breeds' can safely be deemed as crap. How many times do we see disease and illness the result of such (in)breeding in the dog world?

The same thing goes on in livestock farming (probably worse actually) 'breeds' are created so that farmers get the fastest growing/biggest/fattest animals to sell and make the the most money from. Even Jamie Oliver touched on it in that mainstream programme (even the people behind the original idea of creating such breeds were shocked such practises were still going on - they intended it to be used only during the war). Forget natural selection - the meat on our plates is not the healthiest, it is from artificially created breeds that probably, couldn't be further if they tried!

If you think it's ok to feed yourself that, well that's your prerogative. It's not something I am going to be doing in a hurry.

Btw, I may not be a Vegan for much longer - have done it for a week now but finding it too time consuming to cook/prepare the meals, and as my diet is quite restricted anyway I feel it's a bit too much for me right now. But the book has certainly reminded me of things I pushed to one side. So any meat I buy in the future will be organic from ethical farmers only (or from stores I trust like M&S). And will of course eat it sparingly too as even in it's most natural state it's difficult for our bodies to process - along with being a major source of cholesterol (almost all of the cholesterol in our diet in comes from animal products). Although I'm not decided yet - if I can find a good vegan cookbook that makes it easy to prepare quick/healthy and tasty meals I may well stick it out!

Re the whole genes thing - I'm all for scientific progress IF it has been done and is used responsibly with utmost care and respect for the environment, people and all other inhabitants, not, when it is being done for fat profit first and foremost and worry about the consequences later. ...and unfortunately, in the food industry, experience tells us is most likely the case.


     
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08-02-2010, 01:25 PM
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Livestock breeding is far heavily regulated than that of dogs - dogs are bred for supposed beauty including defective traits rather than for food - I could never own a thoroughbred. I wouldn't think many dogs are unsafe to eat - especially as most will be fed on our food industry's scraps. I know that certain livestock breeds have been imported for size, etc but you can always findout what you're buying.

You talk about growth hormones, antibiotics, steroids, etc, however I'm only talking about meat you can buy in this country - that's british meat...grown in this country...eaten grass from our fields, etc. Therefore there are certain regulations and laws that UK farmers have to abide by - there is no growth hormone used in livestock farming - it's illegal, the same for steroids. And once an animal has been given anti-biotics don't they have to wait for a certain period of time before the animal can be slaugtered or something?

Organic foodstuffs have further regulations in place - so stick with the good stuff, if you're that concerned. It'll just cost you more, but if you think about what you're buying it's still worth it. Check for trademarks as well - such as the soilassociation, RSPCA endorsed, etc, etc.

I would never buy any kind of battery or intensive farmed meat intentionally - so we're on the same page here.

So that's what you're buying yourself - you can regulate that...however eating out and about you need to dig deeper and find out more.

I also think that due to supermarkets (pushing prices down not good) and the shows like you mentioned airing there is a movement to findout where your food comes from. I think that the younger generations like us are a bit more savvy in what we consume.

This kind of thing should be taught in schools...how to shop, how to buy good meat, how to buy alternatives if you can't afford the good meat, what part of the animal are you buying, etc, etc.


     
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