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23-12-2008, 03:50 PM
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Re: Detox: Feel how nature intended you to feel - Amazing!

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Almonds are a great source of calcium, and guess what, they don't contain lactose

Some people are lucky that they continue to produce Lactase, but it's not because they kept drinking it whilst growing up. It's more to do with genetics (i.e. their parents and grandparents and their consumption of milk - so people who originate from colder countries where milk could more easily be stored, therefore used, are less likely to be lactose intolerant. But even that offers no guarantees).

There are three genetic variations; ON (can always produce lactase) Off (can't produce any at all) and a middle intermittent state, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. People with the latter two are clinically classified as lactose intolerant.

As I said before, it's not pseudo science, and is far more cutting edge than what you get from the mainstream.
Hmmm...

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There are three major types of lactose intolerance:

1. Primary lactose intolerance. Environmentally induced when weaning a child in non-dairy consuming societies. This is found in many Asian and African cultures, where industrialized and commercial dairy products are uncommon.

2. Secondary lactose intolerance. Environmentally induced, resulting from certain gastrointestinal diseases, including exposure to intestinal parasites such as giardia. In such cases the production of lactase may be permanently disrupted. A very common cause of temporary lactose intolerance is gastroenteritis, particularly when the gastroenteritis is caused by rotavirus. Another form of temporary lactose intolerance is lactose overload in infants.

3. Congenital lactase deficiency. A genetic disorder which prevents enzymatic production of lactase. Present at birth, and diagnosed in early infancy.
Almonds? That's a good alternative...but probably more expensive and harder to come by...in milk form at least...you can't exactly pour dry almonds on your weetabix

Smak...that's why Organic milk is better for you...has naturally less fat content and has high levels of calcium. Pasteurisation doesn't get rid of the calcium but it does get rid of the bad and some good stuff that can be found in milk. Can't win 'em all

Put it this way...no good dietician will tell you to stop drinking milk as part of a healthy diet. And I personally think that a detox is a load of nonsense...we have really good internal organs that are good at what they do...removing the rubbish from our bodies. Just don't overdo the rubbish.

Drink plenty, eat healthy but don't think you can't treat yourself once in a while.

If you can't eat certain foodstuffs like Azz apparently can't then see a doctor or dietician

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23-12-2008, 04:13 PM
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Re: Detox: Feel how nature intended you to feel - Amazing!

And Jotch's source is? ...crappypedia

The person writing the entry should get his facts write (as should many other wikipedia 'experts'). He didn't even bother to read his source correctly which actually says pretty much what I did:

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Approximately 70% of the world’s population has primary lactase deficiency. The percentage varies according to ethnicity and is related to the use of dairy products in the diet, resulting in genetic selection of individuals with the ability to digest lactose.
Not once is 'weaning' mentioned anywhere!!!

It's exactly the reason I am more in favour of Google's own version of wikipedia - which would be written by experts for each topic, not people thinking they are qualified to write about the subject!!

Also, just want to add it not just down to ethnicity, it boils down to what I said in a previous post, and that is whether and how far back the generations in your family have used milk or not. The ethnicity part usually comes in due to area (hot vs cold countries and no fridges), but one thing many 'experts' miss out is that wealth is an indicator too and doesn't just affect 'obvious' areas, hence why lactose intolerance is more prevalent in Wales than it is in say, England (affordability of fridge freezers back in the days - Welsh people were generally poorer).

The other two, 2 + 3 are disease related and affect much fewer people.


     
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23-12-2008, 05:03 PM
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And Jotch's source is? ...crappypedia

The person writing the entry should get his facts write (as should many other wikipedia 'experts'). He didn't even bother to read his source correctly which actually says pretty much what I did:

Not once is 'weaning' mentioned anywhere!!!

It's exactly the reason I am more in favour of Google's own version of wikipedia - which would be written by experts for each topic, not people thinking they are qualified to write about the subject!!

Also, just want to add it not just down to ethnicity, it boils down to what I said in a previous post, and that is whether and how far back the generations in your family have used milk or not. The ethnicity part usually comes in due to area (hot vs cold countries and no fridges), but one thing many 'experts' miss out is that wealth is an indicator too and doesn't just affect 'obvious' areas, hence why lactose intolerance is more prevalent in Wales than it is in say, England (affordability of fridge freezers back in the days - Welsh people were generally poorer).

The other two, 2 + 3 are disease related and affect much fewer people.
Errrr, I think you need to read all the sources (linked below) before spouting that Wikipedia is soo wrong and that what I'm using is crap.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11788828 - also found on Google's version of crappypedia.

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Adult-type hypolactasia, also known as lactase non-persistence (lactose intolerance), is a common autosomal recessive condition resulting from the physiological decline in activity of the lactase-phlorizin hydrolase (LPH) in intestinal cells after weaning.
You might be right with what you say, but considering northern europe has lactose intolerance figures around 2-5% it's not a big deal for most people...but even more to the point....there's nothing wrong with drinking milk.

It's not unhealthy (stick to the semi-skimmed or skimmed), it's packed with Vitamin D and Calcium...simple.


     
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23-12-2008, 05:21 PM
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So he's just chopping and changing and adding bits from here and there to make up his 'own report' and authoritative paper on the subject? And it doesn't matter if some of it conflicts, contradicts or embellishes? It's laughable!!

Wikipedia is pretty much the same as glorified messege board;, a mish mash of text depending on what the person making the 'post' thinks is right. Yes it's fine for relatively unimportant stuff but it's a a joke in many circles.

I recommend reading http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Science-Ben-Goldacre/dp/0007240198.

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Hmmm maybe this should be split into a wikipedia discussion thread

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..there's nothing wrong with drinking milk.
Yes there is - if you happen to find you are lactose intolerant. That 2-3% you quoted is a very conservative and misleading estimate, it is nearer 12% of the UK population.

(My sources are two leading 'real' experts on the topic, not pseudo scientists, or wannabe 'wikipedia' professors)

Anway, while I could easily spend all day debating the topic with you, I just want to stress that this 'detox' is intended for those to try that don't feel 'amazing' (see thread title). But if you do, then carry on as you are


     
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23-12-2008, 05:34 PM
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Yes there is - if you happen to find you are lactose intolerant. That 2-3% you quoted is a very conservative and misleading estimate, it is nearer 12% of the UK population.

(My sources are two leading 'real' experts on the topic, not pseudo scientists, or wannabe 'wikipedia' professors)
I don't really care about wikipedia to be honest, as far as I'm concerned it's pretty good source of info...any source can be biased and any science can be debunked...so make your own judgement.

Anyway, as for the comment I've highlighted...well...that's like saying that Peanuts are bad for you, if you have a Peanut Allergy...you know what...I might start calling you Sherlock


     
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23-12-2008, 05:36 PM
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The difference is there is a MUCH greater chance for you to be lactose intolerant, and that chance increases depending on your background



     
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26-06-2009, 08:26 AM
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I'm reading it and thinking about it! Got some BBQ's in the coming months though. Is having a blow out now and again a real no-no?


     
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22-11-2009, 03:53 AM
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Re: Detox: Feel how nature intended you to feel - Amazing!

Guess what... I'm back on this

*runs from Jotch!

I've strayed a bit too much off it recently... I was having roly poly puddings with custard 4 times a week when M&S started selling them (what can I say, I used to love them in school!).

Anyway, got a lot to do next year so want to be firing on all cylinders

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I'm reading it and thinking about it! Got some BBQ's in the coming months though. Is having a blow out now and again a real no-no?
Sorry I missed your post. Basically, no. However, I would try it for a month, and if you feel no benefit from it, then go back to your normal diet (re-introduce foods back in one at a time, one per week). But if you do feel the benefits, carry on for 6 months. That's what I did anyway. Only thing is I kept feeling better and better.. so ended up doing it quite strict for about 2 years. Hardest thing I've ever done, but the best thing I've done too.

After that I just tried to eat as healthy as possible and stick to it as much as I thought I could without it making me feel 'less good'.

You'll generally find that you learn a lot about your body in that time and so when you do 'go mad', you'll be better able to pick yourself back up.


     
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23-11-2009, 03:15 PM
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Guess what... I'm back on this

*runs from Jotch!

I've strayed a bit too much off it recently... I was having roly poly puddings with custard 4 times a week when M&S started selling them (what can I say, I used to love them in school!).

Anyway, got a lot to do next year so want to be firing on all cylinders
Are you a yo-yo dieter Azz? Roly-Poly puddings with custard 4 times a week!?! Have some self control man!

And was that almond/soya custard?

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23-11-2009, 06:05 PM
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Lol I'm not a traditional dieter as such, never done the detox for being overweight (as I'm not) - kinda weird but I do the detox for how I feel. (Although it does help overweight people, as it helps them get back to what nature intended for them).

I think the thread title sums it up - it makes you feel amazing, full of life and energy. Exactly what I need for next year... got a lot planned!

Will pass on the burger and chips... and have steak n (oven) chips instead


     
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